Who are Gog and Magog? – Part I: Background

The character of Magog began as a parody of Rob Liefeld’s Cable in the pages of Kingdom Come and was the most significant character in that series that didn’t already have a parallel in the normal DC Universe. A version eventually made its way into the normal DC Universe, but he never really escaped the shadow of the Kingdom Come future. It now appears as if Maxwell Lord and Magog are locked on a collision course over the White Lantern’s demand/prophecy that Lord should stop Magog.

Background

Kingdom Come

The names Gog and Magog spring up time and again in the writing of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Whether they are people, nations, or monsters isn’t entirely clear and shifts from case to case. That hasn’t stopped people claiming them as the ancestors of the Goths, Irish, Finns, or a host of other ethnic groups. There are also English stories that claim the British Isles were settled by survivors of the Trojan Wars led by Brutus of Troy. Brutus had to pacify the giants that already lived on the islands and a particularly gnarly one called Gogmagog. Two wooden giants called Gog and Magog have been part of the parade of the Lord Mayor City of London for over six hundred years.

The name Magog was adopted by Mark Waid and Alex Ross for one of the protagonists in their Kingdom Come series. According to the Kingdom Come Companion the golden armour worn by Magog was designed to resemble the golden calf that the Israelites worshipped whilst Moses’ back was turned. Their Magog became the false god that a younger generation turned to during Superman’s absence. It is telling that Ross used same the person as the figure model for both Superman and Magog – the Christ and Anti-Christ figures.

When I came up with the design for Magog, I was only parodying Rob Liefeld and his design for Cable, and it wound up being a strangely attractive design despite my efforts to make it as ugly as possible. It felt like there was an element of Kirby in it, even thought it was this gross distortion of the history of superhero design.

Alex Ross, Kingdom Come Companion, page 243

The identity of Magog and the unseen Gog was not revealed in Kingdom Come. Magog was a cypher figure, a plot device that served to force Superman into retirement and then to bring him back again.

This is what a post-Liefeld Cable drawn by Leifeld looked like:

The resemblance between Cable and Magog now becomes quite obvious. However, Magog wasn’t even mentioned in Alex Ross’s original proposal for the Heroic Age (the project that became Kingdom Come). Ross told CBR that Magog was originally Mark Waid’s idea:

Now, wasn’t Magog a character created as a response to all those characters that were popping up in the early ’90s?

Yeah. That’s a character that Mark Waid invented that was really just put to me like come up with the most God awful, Rob Liefeld sort of design that you can. What I was stealing from was – really only two key designs of Rob’s – the design of Cable. I hated it. I felt like it looked like they just threw up everything on the character – the scars, the thing going on with his eye, the arm, and what’s with all the guns? But the thing is, when I put those elements together with the helmet of Shatterstar — I think that was his name — well, the ram horns and the gold, suddenly it held together as one of the designs that I felt happiest with in the entire series.

Really?

Yeah. I don’t think it ended up looking like a buffoonish character. In a way, that gold rams head affect took it to a new level of almost biblical metaphor that had a nice little touch to it. It’s the kind of thing I should have been striving, but it was much more accidental.

Waid’s Gog Vs Ross’s Gog

During the 90s a Kingdom Come spin-off series was planned called the Kingdom. It would have been set in the present day, but the ongoing series fell through leaving Waid and Ross with their own versions of Magog and Gog. Waid got to tell his version of the story first with a one-shot called New Years Evil: Gog #1. It introduced a mentally unstable survivor of the Kansas tragedy who was elevated to near godhood by a group of cosmic beings. This Gog came to see Superman as the anti-Christ and sought to turn the world against him.

Mark Waid described this Gog’s connection to Superman:

It [the first issue of the aborted Kindgom series] was the story of how Magog came to be, the story of how Gog showed up in the present-day DC Universe and transformed a young man – who was, as we would learn, the sidekick that Superman had for about six months during his first couple of years as a defender of truth, justice and the American way – the untold, forgotten story of a kid who used to be under Superman’s wing and was adopted by Gog.

Mark Waid, Kingdom Come Companion, page 226

However, the Kingdom became something different and they never got to the Magog part. Waid’s Gog later appeared a couple of times as a Superman villain.

Meanwhile, Alex Ross has meditated on his own vision of who Gog was. Even before Waid’s Kingdom mini-series was published Ross has a solid idea of connecting Magog back to the Kirby influence he had felt come through in his design. The battles in Kingdom Come have a parallel with the war of the Old Gods in Jack Kirby’s Fourth World mythology so Ross’s idea was that Gog was one of the Old Gods, a survivor of the world that split in two to become New Genesis and Apokolips.

And there will be a god, one of the old gods from that planet, who survived. He will be here on Earth, and he will be called Gog. [...] He winds up looking like this giant Kirbyesque character who has big, gold horns and a metallic body, and he in effect is this very large character who somewhat looks like the ancient ancestor of both Highfather and Darkseid mixed into one. He’s going to be foreshadowing, by his actions, the future of Kingdom Come, and Magog will be this young guy, a parody of a Rob Liefeld young superhero wanna-be, who somehow gets linked up with Gog. Gog would have been, as we were discussing when Mark and I finally got into conference over this, martyred to a degree by Magog; Magog would be driven to the point of killing him. We didn’t have a reason for why this happened, but we were taking every single thing that we could think of from Kingdom Come and trying to throw it into this to make it work.

Alex Ross, Kingdom Come Companion, page 243

That quote from Alex Ross was published in 1998 and is really close to the story that eventually showed up in Justice Society of America. The JSA title was relaunched after the Infinite Crisis and Alex Ross came on board as a cover artist and occasional co-plotter with Geoff Johns. An accident propelled the Kingdom Come Superman into the normal DC Universe where he was an observer of, and commenter on, events that led to the creation of this universe’s Magog.

The Magog Series

Johns’s JSA supplied the context of Gog’s arrival that had been missing in Ross’s original plotline. A long JSA arc dealt with the introduction of a list of new characters including Lance Corporal David Reid. Reid was the metahuman great-grandson of President Roosevelt. He was to be the “young superhero wanna-be” which Gog turned into his herald Magog.

The introduction of such an already well-known character to the DC Universe prompted DC to launch Magog in his own ongoing series written by Keith Giffen and with art by Howard Porter. Giffen told Newsarama on its launch that:

Like most comic fans, I had limited access to the character. I knew his role in Kingdom Come and the Gog story that Geoff told. But what struck me was that, underlying all the glitz and the armor and all, this guy is still a soldier. He’s David Reid, lance corporal. So I thought about how I could apply a real hardcore military mindset to a superhero and get into his head. Most, if not all, of the captions in the book are Magog’s narration, so you can really get into his head. And dealing with a hero whose moral parameters are much wider than, say, Superman’s kind of became fun.

It’s nice to play around with a hero who’s more protagonist than most heroes, maybe even antagonist. And he’s willing to do what needs to be done to get the job done. He’s not exactly Jack Bauer, and he doesn’t have that faux toughness that comes with Wolverine, but he’s definitely somebody who gets things done in his own unique and sometimes incredibly violent way. And I’ve been having a ball. I love this character. And honestly? No one is more surprised than I.

Unfortunately Magog’s series only lasted twelve issues. The series was to have been taken over by Scott Kollins with issue #10, but his multi-part arc entitled “Blown to Kingdom Come” had to be truncated to two-parts. Nevertheless, Kollins told CBR what he thought was Magog’s vital character:

I am a big fan of the “Kingdom Come” series. I felt very much the same way as the main characters and it was a great topic to put in a heroic story. I also think there were some basic concepts in that series that made Magog such an interesting character. It made him a character that we are still trying to tell stories about all these years later, similar to the recent story arc of Magog getting kicked out of the Justice Society of America. Magog works best if rubbing people the wrong way. It’s just his nature. Or his fate?

Even before Magog’s series had launched DC had been playing with the notion that he would eventually go bad and would need to be stopped. Brave and the Bold #23 featured a confrontation between Booster Gold and Magog which made the time travelling Booster aware that something about Magog’s future wasn’t right. Even his appearances in the Justice Society were bout foreshadowing how the main DC Universe was or was not diverging from the Kingdom Come possible future.

This approach was something that dated back to the original Kindgom series. In 1998 Alex Ross commented:

Truth be told, I was actually trying to lead the Kingdom storyline to the point where it actually nullified the future possibility of Kindgom Come; we’d see a glimpse of it and then we’d actually find out that it’s going to get circumvented so that it doesn’t happen.

Alex Ross, Kingdom Come Companion, page 243

That possibility has been picked up in Justice League: Generation Lost where it appears that Maxwell Lord is fated to kill Magog in order to prevent him from causing the war foreseen by Kingdom Come.

Preview covers for upcoming JL titles

DC have released several upcoming JLA covers including the preview covers from Cliff Chiang and Kevin Maguire for Justice League: Generation Lost #10. Both show pretty major events including Batman’s arrival on the scene and the confirmation that Maxwell Lord is trying to prevent the Kingdom Come future coming true.

Last week DC also released Ethan Van Sciver’s cover to Justice League of America (vol 2.) #50 showing the JLA fighting the Crime Syndicate from the Anti-Matter Earth. Ethan even manages to make Ultraman and Super Woman look more evil and unpleasant than normal.

That particular image caught Bleeding Cool’s attention as the letters from the shattered “Justice League of America” sign around Donna Troy seemed to spell S.T.F.U. However, Ethan posted to the BC message boards that there wasn’t anything deliberate about the positioning.

Another poster asked him about the reference he’d used for Donna Troy and he responded with,

I grabbed the most recent available reference on Donna Troy, by Mark Bagley, I think, from a JLA cover he did. Unless I’m actually drawing the book, I follow the lead of the current interior artist. What he/she says goes!

(You may spot that the cover contains a colouring mistake – the colour of Donna’s lasso is yellow in this preview, but has been established as blue in earlier issues to make it distinct from Diana’s lasso – but, one assume that’s nothing to do with Ethan).

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Justice League of America (vol. 2) #1

Quotes

Kathy Sutton: I’ve been through this seven time since I first met him. Seven. People think it gets easier. They’re wrong. It always take a bit to collect the pieces. And even when there’s no League, the League does it. Hal helped this time. Last time it was Bruce. As a favor, we asked Magnus to put him together. He didn’t hesitate. He, of all people understands.

Vixen: I feel the birds first. Seagulls and terns. Danger’s coming. Then I feel the tiger. Anger overwhelms me. The place looks empty. Looks aren’t everything. They’re already here. Lion.

Credits

Writer Penciller Inkers Colourist
Brad Meltzer Ed Benes Sandra Hope and Mariah Benes (special thanks given to) Alex Sinclair
Letter Assistant Editor Editor
Rob Leigh Jeanine Schafer Eddie Berganza
Cover Artists: Two standard covers & retailer variant cover by Ed Benes, Mariah Benes, and Alex Sinclair; variant cover by Michael Turner and Peter Stiegerwald

Synopsis “The Tornado’s Path – Chapter One: Life”

The Justice League has been out of action for over a year ever since it disintegrated during the Infinite Crisis. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman have even been through their own soul searching and have come together to in the Batcave to plan the League’s reformation.

Read more »

Young Justice’s target audience

Greg Weisman and Brandon Vietti have been interviewed by Comic Book Movie about the the upcoming Young Justice cartoon. They commented on the target audience for the show,

I think, from an economic standpoint, we have to hit boys 6 – 14 for Cartoon Network to sell their ad space or whatever, so if you think of it as a bull’s eye with concentric circles, that’s the bull’s eye we have to hit – but I’m not satisfied with that and I don’t think Brandon is either. A, we want boys and girls, so there’s a lot of great relationship stuff in this, there’s humor in this show – I mean, it’s a serious show, but there’s a lot of humor in it, there’s a lot of eye candy for little kids. I think little kids could enjoy this show, and some stuff will go over their heads, but they won’t know it’s going over their heads. There are a lot of explosions and guys in costumes, big villains and big events that are eye candy for the youngest audience, but there’s a lot of sophisticated stories for a teen audience, a college age audience, an old fart audience like me – and I certainly think any fan of DC comics in general is going to find a lot of great stuff from the 75 year history of DC comics to enjoy in the show.

They also revealed that Nolan North would be providing the voice for both Superman and Superboy as one is the clone of the other.

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The Blue Beetle Companion (Christopher Irving)

The Blue Beetle Companion
By Christopher Irving – Published by Two Morrow Publishing – ISBN 978-1-893905-70-2 – 128 pages

The Blue Beetle Companion is as odd a book as the characters it documents. You never lose the sense that its really a collection of magazine articles that have been reformatted and reworked as a book. The largest part of it focuses on an obscure golden age character who most people have only heard about because another character took over his identity. Even through Ted Kord or Jaime Reyes appear on the cover of this book it’s really about the Dan Garret/t Blue Beetle and his origins in the 1940s.

The greater share of this book goes to a biography of a gentleman called Victor Fox. There is a – probably apocryphal – story that Fox was DC Comics’ accountant at the time that Superman launched. He is said to have taken one look at home much money DC were making and promptly quit to start his own comic book company. The DC connection may have been apocryphal, but his get rich quick attitude to starting a comic book company wasn’t. His shenanigans and adventures sound like they’d fit right at home with the escapades of the JLI’s Blue Beetle and Booster Gold.

Fox would copy anything if he thought he could get away with it and make money at it. His comic book company produced a series of features that deliberate ripped-off other characters – the first one was so close to Superman that DC sued. Fox’s knock-off of the Green Hornet was called the Blue Beetle. Except that this Blue Beetle doesn’t have much in common with the more well-known technologist Ted Kord or high school student Jaime Reyes, or even for that matter the archeologist Dan Garrett. Fox’s Beetle was a rookie police man/detective/secret agent (they couldn’t decide) called Dan Garret (one t). He occasionally looked like the later Garrett, but there was no magical scarab or for that matter consistency.

Christopher Irving presents a story of how Fox would try almost every possible avenue to promote the Beetle with steadily decreasing results. Radio, newspaper strips, promotional days, having the character appear in your home town (so that’s where JMS got the idea). You name it Fox tried it. And in almost every case they were short-lived and not very good. Irving goes through each of these 1940s twists in detail and there is a descent amount of reproduced material – Fox never cared much for copyright so the early stuff is in the public domain.

What did surprise me was the weighting of the 1940s stuff versus the Silver Age and Modern material. The material on Charlton (from whom DC bought the character) starts on page 99 and this is a 125 page book – that’s 80% of the space. The brevity of the Charlton Comics section and the DC section really doesn’t do the later characters justice. Indeed, it would have been great as several chapters from a larger Charlton Comics companion or even a Fox Comics Companion. Don’t get me wrong, what is there is good, it’s just brief. This is a Two Morrow’s publication so you’d have thought they could have reproduced an interview or two from Comic Book Artist or some where similar. And the most surprising part was that Nite Owl – who was closely based on the Beetle – barely gets a paragraph.

The Blue Beetle Companion is a very good book in as far as it goes – I just wish it could have gone further.

Keith Giffen on leaving Generation Lost

Keith Giffen,  the original JLI writer and Generation Lost co-plotter, has spoken to Newsarama about his wish to reign back on his writing duties to make room for more penciling work. That shift has meant that he had to let something go and that unfortunately meant Generation Lost.

Nrama: Well that brings us to the next question, which is the “scheduling” explanation we got from Judd Winick for why you’re not doing Justice League: Generation Lost. Can you tell us what happened with that?

Giffen: It’s basically what Judd said. Look, it came down to what do I want to do more? And the stuff I’m doing now is what I want to do. I couldn’t pencil the projects I have coming up, and I couldn’t do what I’m doing on the Doom Patrol and Outsiders, while doing breakdowns for a book that were going to keep hitting me in this white heat. So it came down to, “OK, if you have to give up something, what do you want to give up?”

I’m not going to give up Doom Patrol. They’ll have to pry that out of my cold, stiff fingers. And I’m having too much fun with Booster Gold. And I’ve been wanting to get back to penciling. I had stuff I wanted to do more, and I really had to make a choice. And seeing as how the JLI was heading in a new direction, I don’t think I was really needed on the JLI book. So it really came down to, OK, it’s a re-envisioned JLI, and characters are going to move in this direction whether I’m here or not. So maybe it’s time to say goodbye.


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